"Grindintosecond" (Grindintosecond)
12/30/2015 at 16:56 • Filed to: None
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"Grindintosecond" (Grindintosecond)
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(A custom corvette dash) I was reading the Oppo’s greatest hits story on the new Mustang vs. previous model, and it spoke of electronic stuff it has on par with the BMW range of cars. I began to wonder. How’s the electronics reliability coming along in general? We hear of endless problems with the whiz-bang geekopolous in some cars that craps out around 50k. What’s the latest truth? To be honest, it’s what scared me away from VW a number of years ago. At the time, they were wonderful cars. But there was that lottery pick of a horrible electrical lemon somewhere if I bought one and the risk was too great for me. Same deal with the Audi at that time. 70k, and the engine gets bugs with throttle sensors and such.
(Old ‘Vette digidash.) So what say you? Opinions please? At what point in general autodom did the planet figure out anything else about making a highly digital car last 200k+ miles without electrical issues?
I wonder.
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Grindintosecond
> Grindintosecond
12/30/2015 at 17:01 |
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I truly messed that one up again. I Question something, and then ask for input about something larger scale. Sorry.
coelacanthist
> Grindintosecond
12/30/2015 at 17:07 |
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Worlds only IFR corvette.
Aaron M - MasoFiST
> Grindintosecond
12/30/2015 at 17:13 |
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Older cars were a lot simpler, yes...but newer cars, at least as far as engine management is concerned, can literally tell you what the problem is. I honestly think the reliability issue is a canard...most of the companies having reliability issues in their electronics had reliability issues in their mechanicals too. You talk about a 70,000 mile Audi with electrical gremlins...most of the VAG issues I can think of off the top of my head (timing chain guides, dual-mass flywheels, DI carbon buildup, just as a random sample) are not related to electronics at all.
And we don’t hear so much about the thousands of cars released in the 03-05 timeframe from Lexus, Infiniti and Acura which had full in-dash GPS and a suite of other electronic goodies. So maybe it’s not electronic versus analog that’s causing the reliability issues...
Jetstreamer
> coelacanthist
12/30/2015 at 17:25 |
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I would feel so at home in a car with this kind of dash... I think the closest you can get from any factory is Spyker cars.
Birddog
> Grindintosecond
12/30/2015 at 17:43 |
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unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)
> Aaron M - MasoFiST
12/30/2015 at 18:31 |
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Since you have an e82 is it odd not to have a temp gauge? I understand that even my car has a buffered temp gauge but its preferable to know that my car is half past the warm and about to overheat than not to know.
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Aaron M - MasoFiST
> unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins)
12/30/2015 at 18:38 |
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I’m not a fan of the lack of instrumentation, I’ll readily admit it. That said, it hasn’t bothered me much so far. With my older cars the only time I needed the temp gauge was when I was having cooling system problems and about to overheat anyway, so if I don’t modify this car extensively the gauge shouldn’t be “necessary”, per se. That said, I’m likely to play around with Torque and see if I can’t pull a few more sensor readings for my own peace of mind.
Scott
> Grindintosecond
12/30/2015 at 18:41 |
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I think electronic gauges, and ECU’s have largely been figured out, in terms of reliability. And it’s not like the old gauges where reliable either. the main benefit to mechanical gauges, are that when one fails you can replace just it. When an electronic dash fails you often have to replace the entire thing.
while I do some times here about things like VW’s poor electronics, it is largely a case of selecting a poor supplier for the parts. Same thing happened with gauges, certain gauges used to have a bad reputation for poor quality.
These days I think the issue is more all the gadgets that cars have now. It opens up issues in terms of firmware bugs, and general reliability of things that are new to cars, but not really essential to getting you down the road. Although that line is often blurred.
jjhats
> Grindintosecond
12/30/2015 at 19:02 |
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I almost scrolled by till I noticed that was a c2 dash. Any more info on that car?
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Grindintosecond
> jjhats
12/30/2015 at 20:05 |
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Not really just plucked from google images result. Searched corvette dashboard.
Jayvincent
> Grindintosecond
12/31/2015 at 00:27 |
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My experience is from a mid 90’s 3.8L Buick and I would say it’s not the miles, it’s the environment. Thermal cycles, wet driving conditions, outdoor parking, etc... corrode connections, degrade plastic and epoxy sensor housings and kill engine compartment electronics. In-dash components are slightly more protected, but long term outdoor exposure in hot climates can still cause no end of electrical gremlins. Without some sort of artificial accelerated ageing climate chamber, it’s difficult to know if today’s electronics are going to be reliable after 20 years of New England winters or New Mexico summers. I’ll bet the automakers have that accelerated ageing data and have carefully worked that into their warranty versus service cost models, but personal experience with early to mid 2000’s coil pack failures after 10 years of service (not to mention a couple million recalled airbags essentially due to rusting of their explosive canister) tells me modern cars may be the pinnacle of modern engineering, but that doesn’t always equal reliability or longevity.
Just my 2 bitcoins, your experiences may vary :)
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Jayvincent
> Jayvincent
12/31/2015 at 00:36 |
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Maybe a better graphic to illustrate my point:
